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Poster: littledirewolfy Date: Dec 17, 2008 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best copy of one of the most-reviewed shows

Nice try Pat.
People love to hate the nineties Dead.
They seem to be totally offended that anyone could get any
pleasure from listening.
If you had 'any musical sense' you wouldn't go near this stuff. lol

I've heard this show before and I'm listening to some of it again now.
The SOTM is very nice. Bucket was good. West LA Fadeaway moves right along.

Take Me To The River is certainly not one of my favorite covers that they did.
That one kind of threw me, but I wouldn't wish for the person, Bobby?, who
wanted to do it, to be shot. Seems a bit extreme.

Maybe people should start a movement to get everything past a certain date
removed from The Archive. Get LL and the other sites to ban the stuff.
Have tape burnings across the country.
Get some computer geeks together and you can probably track down everyone who's downloaded the stuff.

This post was modified by littledirewolfy on 2008-12-18 04:12:28

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 18, 2008 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best copy of one of the most-reviewed shows

Yeah, that was really sad on my part...in all seriousness, though, I had not ever listened (at least as far as I know) to a complete song from the 90s. Trying this one, I really did have to force myself to overcome what can only be described as a pathological aversion to it; the minute Bob sings, or whatever, I get twitchy based as much on my preconceptions as the reality of the sound. That said, I think I can objectively say that the sound is different enough from my early era tunes that there is no hope for me to move forward era wise (and I can hardly get into the early 70s!).

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Dec 18, 2008 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Tell Mea Culpa

WT. Despite the fact that as Prime Minister you must act the Solomon to preserve your diplomatic standing, this passive mea culpa is rather unbecoming and well, disturbing. While I myself have given in to the 70's, I'll not use the guilty but mentally incapacitated defense for having an aversion to much of the 80's and nearly all of the 90's.

I'll give subjective logic a draw every time it's confronted. Some folks like the vibe that started late 80's and it's pretty well documented on "Without a Net" and "Dylan and the Dead." I don't think it out of place to say the overall vibe carried, for the most part, until the end. I even find the Marsalis version of EOTW on Without a Net to be a favorite. The vibe I prefer is probably 71-76 with a nod to 77 from a quality standpoint alone.

But this is ALL subjective.

What is indefensible are shows that musically are not right. Never mind Garcia's grandpappy voice or Weir's spoken word vocals, if they're off key, it's bad. If Mickey and Billy can't hold up their end of the tempo, it's bad. If Garcia's playing is dragging a half step behind the rest of the band, it's bad music.

All of these "bad" things are objective criticisms, and in the world of music they should be considered fact. For those that were at these shows and enjoyed them, that's all the better, but purely from a musical standpoint they don't stand up well.





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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 18, 2008 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Tell Mea Culpa

Better said than I could much less did. I just don't know enough music theory to be confident when I am right and when I am just biased (e.g., I have though at times Donna was singing "in key" or "right" only to be laughed at by musically knowledgeable sorts, that had no axe to grind on the Donna front [used Row Jimmy examples of 73]).

On the vocals front, I have always thought it's a slam dunk (they decline rapidly after 71; Bob starts "talking" plainly on some tunes in 73), but others have told me that if you like Bob Dylan, and you like Tom Waits, then when you hear Garcia for the first time in 90, you can like him too, which sounds too subjective to me...

Oh well, we've covered this so often I suppose the others are bored out of their minds, but at least I can say, "see, as I have aged here at the Forum, I have been inconsistent in my posting position" in all manners large and small...